E20 - Comment oser être soi et transformer la douleur en chemin de vie : Catherine Agostini-Salembier

Intro

Et Catherine, comment est-ce qu'on fait tourner cette mission? What are your rêves, enfants, afin d'être anfant adapté, afin d'adopter all the rules forimé, for extreme? The grande des obéissants is to be soi-même. Oser être toi-même. In the first part of my life, for be recognized and for aimed, I've adopted the role of heroine. The role of the guerrière of the Amazon who has to be. I have a Japanese also to accuse this job. I was inspired by the poet American and the vision of American said that there's a home in two, in the arms, but there's a dummy in the pier. And it terrorized me to say, be empire in a pier, but it was a suffering terrible. And this night, this night of trance, this night of mortal mystic, in fact I was the misery human like I was in a pierce. And I don't know what she started, but I did me. And I was in a dimension spiritual incredible for an hour and a few days. She was skeptical, she was in mode overture. When she was, she said, But what you have on your round? And so I said, What's it, there's an uterus that is rétrovers. And then she comes to me of my life anterior.

Imagine a fan capable of générality of a grand prix Formule the matin and to mediter in a temple zen the week. An alpinist who has gravitated the Mont Blanc. Franco, indo-canadienne, ethnotherapeut and her 10th. It's inspiring a prince into her to demand comment near the soif in the desert of noses, to aid to design our proper way of sagesse. I've the immense pleasure to receive Catherine Agostini Salambier.

De l’enfant adapté à l’héroïne

Effectively, I want to say a little bit of Catherine, two pan de views, two chapters. Come explained recently, because I went to Bali with a group, I am guide to initiative, and I explained that because the first time was in Portugal and the joy, I explained that the pet Catherine is joyous. And during my day of scholar, I was a fine class in the range of Anne. And it generated an enormous color in me. And that I created an adapted, the rebelle who has her joy. The role of the hero of the Amazon who became, forward. And in 2010, a drama in my life has a hair, and it was my hair of hair that was a hair emerging. And at this moment, I think a chaman in the Laurentides and I had a spiritual, and by the time my mission of life was.

Catherine, you have written a lot of.

At 20 years, I was living in the desert during six months. I was with the prince, I was with the life of my life, and we watched the prince in the woods. And after I began to have a carnet of work, because my father was in the marine, he was capital of Corvette, but he had made a little bit on this carnet of border. So I was here in a certain number of days with numbers, number, and it was that I went to read. In fact, my first life, my agency of voyage who passed the command. It's a voyage spiritual, Ulysses, 50 itinerary of spiritual life. It was a colossal, and I wanted to all the time that it represented, but okay, early a life was possible. So it really was part of my life, of this chapter of my life, and the idea was to transmit for a mind, for a mind of church, a mind. Like I knew this event, there was a phrase that I went to, I said what it would say at the moment, but I wanted to be passer of view, in fact, passer of compassion, passer transmitting. I wanted a point of doubt, because I wanted that my fragility was my great force, and that's what I wanted to tell the world we are fragile, authentic, vulnerable, but we can be also inspiring and inspiring.

Catherine, parallel exactly of this with Lewula Chaman in the Laurenti. That intrigues. How it was, how we have, how many times it has been, what's the one?

Le drame déclencheur et la quête spirituelle

Rencontres avec la chamane des Laurentides

It's a high voltage, Jocelyne. In fact, what happened? I was in Quebec after two days, because it was 40 years that I nomadized, I lived in the Pacific Sud, etc. And it was 25 years that I was in Quebec. A few years after I was living in Quebec, two, three days, I've had a drama familiar and it breaked my hair. I was here, so I was a psychological one or two, but I had. And at this moment, I was at partial in an entrepreneur, and the director of the entrepreneur with which I really sympathized me said, I have a chaman in the Laurenti, you have to go to it. I was not in a vision spiritual, in a vision of life, not even. After that, I was in the 3D, Cartesian, but I was curious. Alright, I was watching this chamber on the Laurenti, but she had done her name, I put a rendezvous, I went, a fan too simple, and she was with a photos. Because it was in relation with a drama familiar, I went with their photos, and when she saw, she was sceptical, she was in mode. And when she saw, she said, But what you have to do? I have a calculator on the pair. So it was annoying. And then she said, What is it? There's an uterus that is retroversing. And then she went to tell me of my life. There was a thing that resonated. I thought I had this attitude at this moment I was so devastated, where I wanted to be a mother, a son, an estimate. And in fact, it explained that for the drama, I was just mother, in this circumstances. But already I was and more than a situation. It had a lot of time. It had a lot of time because it came eclair and my resentment, I appeared, it came my situation, my posture in the events. And I designed a triangle on a floor, I drew a two point, and I said, What's what you have developed. The two points of all this triangle. And she said, I know that you have a verse, that you have a capacity of guérison, and if you will, I can accompany later. So I kept this on me. It was annoying that she had things from my heart. She said of life anterior, and of things like that. And she said, I'm already, I will see, we're in the course. I went to the meeting, she had said, get your hand on your frigidaire, and you will see that we have an aura vert, so a bit of what I said, a color of my eyes. So I lived at the moment, I said, I said, make my eyes on a frigidaire blanket because I worked. The lending, I said, I know. But three years after I reessayed and I had the color, I did a feel of circulation, white, orange, roge, and then I. I was like Saint Thomas, I've had it interesting, I will return to it. So I took, and alright, after the cord of argent that the nuke and a little bit our life, she had a list of all my blessings. My blessings actually, the blessings that I passed transgeneration. She said the blessings of my grandma, things like that. She said, and she said, Well, we will get this eye for six years for you. The long time I did. I did the eye, and she said, 'I will come here in two days and I will prepare an elixir.' So I was here in two days. I went three bouteilles in the whole there wereburns, plants, but also my energy. And I had for two minutes, a verse all the days. And I would say that my marine said, I'm motivate, because at the end of the boat, there was always like a depot, a little bit bizarre. And in fact, the idea was to make a trance. One day I work what we say a mortal mystic. That's that I was instructor of karate and I was initiated a little bit by the zen at the moment of my formation, and at the moment of my practice. In my job, I have a very great cares, it's a very great job Japanese, with minerals, and I have Japanese also to this, and it's like I was inspired by the poet American and the vision of American there's an eyes in all, in the arms, but there's an eye in the pier. And I terrorized to me, I should be empire in a pier, but it would be a suffering terrible, imprisoned. And this night, this night of trance, this night of mortality, in fact I was the misery human like I was in a pierce. And I said to what I came, but I did aid me. And I didn't have a dimension spiritual incredible for one day and yeah. I was really disnected, I put an encouragement. I would learn, I told my among me who had said, Do you know a course in miracles? I did not see this. She went the live, she said, I don't know, but if it interests, regard, I listened with a fluidity extraordinary. I listened to the Taoism, I listened to the Shintoism, the Buddhism, the clothes incredible, and in an hour and a month I wanted to go into a monastery. Then the appeal was forgotten the monasteries in Tibet that I inspired, which I marked. And then I had two adolescents at the moment, I had an artist who I was amorous. Alright, I posted the question in meditation because I began a practice, what I did. We told in the Buddhism to work three years, three months, three years, and we're here or in fact in meditation, what I understand was that I had to sacrifice the life, that the world had been here and now, and that afterwards I should have great than an army, and this is what happened in 2002, but for the moment I could in my posture. Also I would continue to have the chances and the chaman, I said I do have a course of Raiki. She had said you have all the time.

And what do you say an artist? What is happening in the room?

So what happened is that I was my mother of two people. In the first time I traveled at time partial, and I created my entrepreneurs, because I would really develop the personal and spiritual person. And I wanted an appeal. What I think I say is that when I did no, I don't stay in a monastery, I was like a peace. I had a case of colic nephritic for my eyes, I was easy, at a little point that the child of my life said, it was good, even if I was a little disincarned. And then I was with this who said, I've got a person, Ray Saint Joseph, you don't have to go to it. So I went to this person and it was a magnetization. So she was arranged, she had passed the pendulum, she said, Oh, we're not, your thyroid is completely fatigued, I will do plants, etc. And it was the first one, she said, so I explained that I was this energy, and finally I did no. I did no, I'm not sure, I will go to my posture initial, because I'm not in a monastery. And then I said, No, no, no, no. So it was now your mind. And she said, What do you want to canal the energy? So I canalis the energy at this event. I was there a little bit like an arbre, because the energy was from my face, like it was a racine. And then she was, it was passed the pendule, she said, it is perfect, I don't know. I don't know that when I was over the mirror, she was too crushed from that, and at the end of the sentence she was too dressed. So she said, Well, we have it in mind, we will apply now to navigate in these two dimensions. And I was playing, I wanted an apple very good. I was an electron libre, so the shamanism. I was always inspired by the shamanism, by the Buddhism, the hinduism, because she was originally Indian. I was an electron libre like that, and from my accompanyers, because I'm ethnotherapeute, I accompany traditional millennials. So, function of the people that I have in front of me or groups, I tricot, I saw that. But after the zen card. And in 2015, maybe a little, I went to a machine zen. Also, a maid zen who at the time was of tradition, who was adopted by a family Marocan who has plunged in Islam, who was Francisca for Zen. And he builds a zen over and joyful. Because the zen would be very elitist and discipline, but it's not what I've been saying. Like I said, for me, the doubt is essential, and I discovered all the philosophy of life of the zen that was completely transformed. So in 2002, for my 10 years, I was at a number of formations, like after six months, I was five retreat in the region of Japan, in the region of Kyoto, where May Dogen, the maid of Zen Soto, has created his temple, and I created a great retreat and an initial, and I was like. And in fact, I stay of family, I can stay, I can have people, because there is one of the notions important in the Buddhism, it's the parental. That's that we have, for example, our ball as if it was the baby of Buddha. So if we have a fan, we know what the parental. So in fact, I am not cloited, I am in the other philosophy of life. Wow.

Okay. After attack the life on the which we are concentrated, do you want to do a brief of your bibliography?

Transe, mort mystique et ouverture intérieure

My bibliography concentrates principally on the personal and spiritual. I began by a live that is autobiographic. This is what we did there to say about our work. So I spent this first phase of life where I was effectively in the formula, we had rally, etc. And I felt also of this event. So that was one of the also fear of their blessings a shape. Because I was part of the phrase of Dalai Lama who said that our planet has sufficient people who are, but we have passionate, of course, guess. There is another one, and it's my few. But if you're like, design me a voice of saga, the one we have. And for me, a life of chevets. So I went also a woman initiative. And why have you heard the pet? Alright, The Pet Prince, for me, Saint The Pet Prince, it's all the time of Saint Exupéry, just like Citadel. Alright, I discovered, this is what I think in the life, I discovered Antoine de Saint Exupéry when I had nine years with the disc of Gérard Philippe, because in France it's the disc line that we came, where he called a little bit in raccourcy, the pet prince, and I think I was emergency. Emergied by the poetry, the simplicity, there's a lot of. For me, it's a genie. For me, it's the big life that could be. Okay, but for me, it's a genie, an simplicity, it is at all. And when I was in the desert at 20 years, I was with the prince, and I changed in the dunes, and it was a voice extraordinary, this voyage in the desert. It's the living life, it's a life of it. And Antoine de Saint-Exupéry is not really a great poet, but he is also an hour and a spirituality extraordinary. If you know Thomas de Kenning? No. He has co-created with me on Lumière. Thomas de Cunning is a great philosopher who lives at Quebec who had Antoine de Saint Exupéry and inspired the prince. Because Thomas de Kunning at eight years is blind and pose questions to Antoine de Saint Exupéri. So when I said to Thomas, Is it you, the prince? The pet prince and Saint Exupéry. But I was enormous touched by Thomas. It was the moment. It was the moment to explain. And I think he has the preface. He has the introduction, the preface, and the postface. It's also the post fast. I said if to meet he read what he does in preface, they will say, Oh là là, it's not a life for me. It's very point. So it's for me that we have in post face, but I felt at the moment. So the phrase eternal we know that with the ear, the essential is invisible. I think if there's one to say, for me, it's that it's the message. After being the other, that's that. It's the message. It's the message for me that all the spirituality referred. The amount alone of what we know, of what we want, of what we know, it's not essence.

There's a chapter that has intrigued in your life the chapter 10 The Terra des Homes, a jardin planetary, a lot of accomplishments. I'm sorry, just for those who don't have to read your life, and sort of nothing, to get a little bit of suspense, let me explain what we have to do for.

Alright, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, for those who know her, has written an image that's appeared to the Homes. I inspired this title. It's the conclusion of my life. This we are incarcerated, it permit all the cheminements possible, it permitted all the accomplishments possible. And I enjoy revenue with this, after our blessing a chef-d'œuvre. So this experience, laboratory, the lien laboratory, the lien of couple, the lien parent-enfanthone, the lien amical, the lien professional, too. Did the zen, zen ki, to what is a vision essential. To what is here. Also, comment accomplishments, that would be default very simple. I was very inspiring by the Japan, and the Japan has a philosophy of view that's Igikai. We have étudiant at Okinawa, that village in the sudden Japan, that archipelago, there was thousands of centenaires. So when we demand to a Japanese what is her raison d'être, it will fusel. And it's not for a great mission to Mère Theresa or Mandela in that category. It would be very simple. The paysan on that who will cultivate in that vision. The idea is not to be, but. And said Mère Theresa, to make the petite shows with a great amount. The idea is to be. Who is? Connais-toi toi. And that's the terra, the Pachamama, it is ideal for that. A travers the cadeaux malemballés, the events difficult, to what we teach, to what we do. And I offer even in this moment in my voyage initiative, I'm off an meditation that I'm applied the racines and that's that. My racine, though my experience human to deploy these zones versus dimension spiritual, because what we did effectively Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, my message is in that dimension.

That's that. But Catherine, how does it fit to learn that? Why is it to recognise her?

Entre monastère, famille et pratique quotidienne

Alright, that's a voyage that I've had just her mission of view during a voyage in Egypt, because I explained that with the Nil, the Egyptian desert. Alright, it's complex, you have a recettes like that. But what I've enjoyed to say is what we are afraid to be that enfant adapted, after adopting all their roles for being amid, for be recognized, after your rêve of enfant, and what you aim for your time. Because the mission, like I'll say, the mission, it's explaining, I am lectrice of dossiers Akashic. The dossier Akashic, that we see it's a bit of a high voltage, it's the parkour of the lamb. And a year I want a brilliant, and excuse me, a little error, it's not a dossier Akashic, it was a voyage shamanic. I did a voyage shamanic for that person proved an animal totem. So the animal totem in the shamanism, it's an animal that we give. So we can have an animal for all our life, but we can also change an animal in just a little bit of our evolution. This person, the first time that I had a voice shamanic, I didn't know, she saw that it was an magnificent noir. And it's not that it's a person of force, an aura incredible. And three days after this person has changed, she accompanied, and they had a things difficult, we were in chamanique, and then she had Pegasus. Pegas is a cheval blanket, purity incredible, and then I said, Wow, what will be this person? What will be her mission? Because from the talon noir to Pegasus, for me it was clear that the mission had changed. This person has been in their own life, it has been with all the talents of her, a sage, we can say that it's a sage. It has not changed, it has not been. It will be already an air, it could be joyful, it will be in the court, it can be possible. We have the impression that mission of view is great. It's like I've had an app an apple important to me when I say you are at the retreat, but I'm not at the retreat. It's my mission. I know my eyes and my eyes. I'm accompanying in prison, I accompany in unity of soul palliative. It's not even that. A mission, it's a very simple. That doesn't make simple. It's really.

No, but I think that it's a parcours frequent.

It's a parcours frequent, because in the end, like we're in a space of zone of comfort also, even if it's a zone inconfortable, but we have tendency to the parcours, I think. It's that's the parcours, I mean it's not Saint Paul on the chemistry. It's not even obligatory, but I've entered, I appreciate that, there's a live that's apple, I think, Le Point de Bascule. We appear that it's a point de bascule where it passes that we brise to renaître à autre chose. It's a little phoenix. But I think it's not even that it's so obligatory.

Absolutely.

Absolutely. It was as well. There are people who have an appeal very tight. If I want the cardinal Boustillo, who is a cardinal extraordinary, she's in Corse actually. I don't know that it's possible. There's an after and an after.

I'm curious, Catherine. You said an evolution, we have you spoken of shamanism, of the hinduism, etc. What are your opinions on the religion in general?

Éclectisme spirituel et voie du Zen

Alright, what I'm trying to say a little bit is that I think that the spirituality is the amount. What does the amount? And the life transform certain things. I would say that when I had this retreat in Japan, it's a little like Vipassana, it's like after three weeks we don't, we know, we don't see it, we are face to soul. And I think what I appreciate is to make only my umbreak and my lumber and the other also. So I think that personally, like he is ombre and lumière, a lecture of certain things at his source, with his um and his lumber. The Taoism also, because in fact it's more it's also simple as the fee. It's reconnect to the nature, it's the law of the nature. The Taoism. So that means we have texts, you told the texts of May Dogan, for example, but there's also a philosophy of life, there's a philosophy of respect, of the nature, of the life human, a philosophy of compassion. The Buddhism is the way of the great compassion and the great luce, it's the way of ordinary. After living and living, I put judgment of it, it's my vision. I think that the spirituality is the amount. What do you think about the amount?

We have a little bit, almost all the same continents, it meant. What are you thinking?

That's uh you have to read all the life, because I loved just recently an article on the double absence. It was a person who was of two nationalities and who was a little null. I was in a monastery in Himalaya, I return to a little desert where there's a voice, I did the island of Takile, in the middle of the lac Titi Haraha in Peru, because we don't say the lack of Titicaca where there was no wife, there was extraordinary. I adore that. But in the moment, a great serenity, the silence. I eat the silence, I don't eat music quasiment. But in India in the chaos, the oddness, the break, the colors, but I'm from me. I've been the Sari, I am from me. There's a lot of the south of the India at Pondicherry, because my mom came there and I did just the day. There's a lot of me. And I am Breton. So my foreign interior, I think. But I think that the others have the impression that I'm not in the bad. Because in Quebec, I pass for a Quebec, I have an accent. I'm in Corse at the moment. In no way I don't pass for a Corse. I have a non-Corse, Agostine, Corse, because my mother is Corse, but I have an accent Corse. I adore the Bretagne, I am Breton, but I don't know. In India I pass for an Indian. Don't I think part of me? I think even that the voyage is my maison, but I think for an entrance. But my great force is my adaptation.

My adaptation. And we mentioned that we have intervened already incarcerated, already prisoners.

I've intervened, we at the Maison Tanguay. I've intervened just as a maison firm.

And what do you think in terms of liberty? It's very liberty physical, but is it kind of a sort of liberty spiritual, mental?

Livres, Le Petit Prince et inspirations

It's extremely difficult from the year. What I believe is that I would leave here at a moment. Person is at the abri. What I think is that I was like the pastoral at the moment. These people have told me of benevolution with the pastoral, and when I said I'm here for you bénévolvement, it was that people interested to them. It's enormous suffering. And I'm this phrase of Gandhi who said that the liberty puts prison. I think it's really right. But these people are lost with them that I've been telling the blessing terrible. A man who pushed, an air, I think it's one of the milieu the more difficult, it's sure, that I should côtoy. In fact, it's the amount that they have many. There's a problem at a moment because they return. They have been accompanied, they have not been asked. I think it's in the vanity where we do that the society has the delicate that they merit. I'm so done. I'm so done. If there was amount, plus of compassion, plus of presence. After a parent, for example, that's it if the amount sufficient also. I'm here that the parent is the arc and the enfant is the flesh, there are other influence, there are other things. But I would say I think that there's amount, it is the presence.

If you want to resume the way of the sagesse, for people who have the time to stay, who has the time to disnect at the quotient to who has to just have a retreat silencious, where they are, what is the first time, what is the first person, pose already where they are with their reality quotidien?

Osei. Ose fragility, in your vulnerabilities, in your forces. Osez être you-minute. And laissez tomber, travaillez les croyances. It's the premier atelier that I've had, d'accord ishi, because in Japanese c'est un, l'unity, the reconquête de soi, qui aide vous au niveau mental, emotionnel, physique et spirituel. Parcourez ce chemin de guérison-là. Mental, que dit votre juge intérieur quand vous êtes au banc des accusés? Mental, quelles sont vos croyances? Tu es trop ci, tu es trop ça, il faut faire comme ci, il faut faire comme ça. Faites le ménage de vos croyances. Quelles croyances vous limitent aujourd'hui et quelles croyances vous propulsez, vous soutient? Émotionnellement, quelles sont les emotions present in? Elles are tout acceptable, elles are just a language. Qu'est-ce que elles disent? Comment accueillir? Comment gérer? Physic, what is your relation to material, your corner, at the terror? And spiritual, if this dimension is in your life, what is your connection to great? That will be on the pottery, it will be in jardinant, it will be in praying, in marching. Don't make o'clock, okay, you're not facilitating, it does courage. But the courage in Greek is the corner that would say. The courage is the curve. Let's go the roll. The mask. That's the courage. And to see the blessing, to afford. And to not be on the divert song.

Right, that's frequent. It's facility. All right, Catherine, Catherine Couverture. We have two segments. This is what we want to do, we're going to disagree with your lead, etc. And a segment a little bit literally. It's a bit cool, but it might be a little bit the atmosphere at times in time. It's a big joke that I adapt in function of the invitation, I'm sure. And already what I'm confronting for you is the essential in my valise. It's like that the show. Is that you're pretty to do? Yes. It's just a mistake in situation. Don't okay, imagine we're in the desert, your avion in the desert, like Santa Exupéry. You don't have three things immaterial, not objects physical. What are these things?

My marriage and my two fills.

Okay.

But we consider that it's one. It's what the two things? Immaterial this one.

Oh, but the zen, like all my connaissances of zen. Because that's my force. It's my fragility also. But it's what will permit to survive. Don't the zen on two. In two, it's all the amount that I've constructed, all the sources of joy, but also what I said, all these apprentices. So the work of my life in my entire day.

Is that sense? Okay, okay, okay, okay, totally. You guys are all.

There are other things of that order, but no, no, I changed it because this feels that already I am on my X. And tranquillamente, I I accept my mind, I accept my imperfections, but I decided to go tranquillo via the most version of me. I was very egoist, extremely in the first part of my life in this concrete. I think already I have my egoism, but I've always also my generosity, not changed, not if it was difficult.

In fact, I think I've wanted to mention that this live is built in the edition Le Dauphin Blanc. And I would like to say for those who have learned what is the vent, this message, that phrase that learns, S'il to play, destine more sagesse. What do you think?

Terra des hommes et l'Ikigai

Alright, there's this phrase of Christian Bobin that I've put in note just when we parlay very precisely the life. These people who eyes and the shirts are blessed have a grandeur that those who port their life in triumph. These people who are and the chair are blessed have a grandeur that there are jokes who port their life in triumph. And there are two sorts of chapters that are really a mise at place of our life, it's a billion. And in this, as I said, at that time there are where I am of my rêve, who are of my accomplishments, who I am of my life, of the notion of voyage, of the instant present, the time. And at the end of that chapter, when we want to work with it, it's a very personal. Not only inspiration, but at the end of each chapter, there's just a question where I am with that problematic, vision, the rêve in my life, the emergency. And so it's not a live that listen from A to Z. We put a chapter, it's who inspires, oh yeah, I listen tranquilly. And I come to have these exercises, and who is who I'm. And as I said, it's a live that we can put now and we can reprint in three years, because we have a change.

It's not a woman, I would say it's for people who know that it's a lot that we can guard into a tab of chevella. Like we can approfond a chapter, but we are. I would also mention that we have the address of your site web, the entrepreneur that you have created, the latitude DNS. For those who don't know what you want, you and your equipe, because it's an equipe. The link is displayable on the site of the edition of Dauphin Blanc. I've not read if it's displayed on Amazon, for example. I think we're because we have.

And a little bit, for the mother of the final, what I've been a little bit enough to say is. I think that it's not facility, but we spent my entrepreneur that's Attitude Bien-être. It's an entrepreneur that I've created. And towards me, but what's what you have to do with message of Christ? Is that you know that the Christ does the bien-être? But I was telling you in my posture already that I feel inattackable. You can say what you want, and when I went to the message, just a message of guerries, I said, We're gonna rebound. I said, No, no, no, you can't say. I wish to be for. And then I explained what it was to be, to deposit, we're inattackable. Don't you have to do it and to finish with a little humor, I'm this phrase of Oscar Wilde that we said N's say nothing, all the roles are just. Exactly. And what you think is the most. Alright, never. And this is sure, will ask to reconnect to your essence, to what you are, and will permit to cheminate you. I've very asked your approach, your fashion of the shows, your life, your equipment, and your remarks that shock. So it's really a moment of pure bonus. So I think what I'm saying is a little bit of me, but it's a little of you. And we have part of that. And merci for this belly, quatrième couverture.